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I'm back to playing again after a 5 year hiatus. I'll say, the hype that I've heard. Post by Elvellon » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:53 pm. 26 posts 1; 2; Next; Scott McCallister Posts: 896 Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:40 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10 Location: Denver, CO. 6 posts • Page 1 of 1. The Registered Agent on file for this company is Ronaldo K Reyburn and is located at 8335 Dead Indian Memorial Rd, Ashland, OR 97520. There are 3 other people named Mark Fontain on AllPeople. Hi folks, I'm a long-time musician, and I make my own bamboo transverse flutes. Lots of nice whistles. mcmanus pau rosa high d. Free CONUS. Free CONUS. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. I really love my Reviol for example, but Ive had MK whistles and they're not really my bag. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. The Chiff and Fipple Whistle Forum. From the Reyburn website: "In an attempt to make the low whistles more accessible to more people, Reyburn Whistles is offering an off-set pattern with the 3rd and 6th holes off-set to more comfortably fit the hands of the player. I have been watching a lot of youtube videos lately and it seem like most of the professional low whistle players are playing either an Overton or Kerry whistle. The session D and the narrow-bore D. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. . I really love my Reviol for example, but Ive had MK whistles and they're not really my bag. I have played a Ronaldo Reyburn, although being left handed this posed a problem - the holes are offset for someone who plays the 'right' way. He's already got the Composite D session Burke and he's hinted that he wanted a new C whistle with a bright quality for performances. com . If you find one more ultimater, let us know. Comparing the tone of 3 different B flat whistles - Generation, Reyburn and Burke. WD Sweet, Reyburn, Mellow Dog. . Posted on July 14, 2010 by Ronaldo - Uncategorized. Thoughts on A Whistles. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. Ronaldo Reyburn is graciously making one of his latest low D whistles available for a tour to C & F members (lower 48 only at this time). A tin whistle player is called a whistler. I am in my 70s and began music. Post by Reyburnwhistles » Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:12 pm. loud whistles. In short, a fine whistle. 3. Best to visit the website. Condition: Excellent Reyburn no longer makes these Maple mouthpieces so it's a nice find when they come available here. $400. I have had all of those keys in the past, but sold them when I was having health issues, and now looking to see if I can find a few. At a Glance Whistle Reviewed: Reyburn D/C Set Models Available: Lots of choices here. Ronald Reyburn Found 11 people in California, Florida and 12 other states. Enjoy! Aluminum Low D (just temperament) “The Long Journey” played by Christian Curry. Not easy!CP Reyburn Whistles. $300 new from Reyburn. 22 posts Previous; 1; 2; Pipe Bender Posts: 266 Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:03 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 12. They're all good, but there are distinctive differences that amount to taste. Ronaldo Reyburn makes a heavy Low D with offset holes on the third and sixth fingers. Re-introduce end evaluating gear. Definitely in my personal top three for low F, which is already my favorite key. If you've never tried a Reyburn, this would be a great start!I am an aficianado of irish whistles and flutes. Overall REV build quality is about average for the industry but in our opinion they deliver pretty good bang for the buck. Tony Dixon offers the best low D whistle for beginners or those working with a tight budget. Elvellon Posts: 110 Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 12. I'm back to playing again after a 5 year hiatus. How that qualifies it as "harder than most" to drive is baffling to me. So I had to swap my hands around to play the whistle. and the tone is more reminiscent of a Sweet whistle than the wooden recorder with which I compared it. Lots of nice whistles. I did contact Ronaldo, and was able to get a old stock low D with offset holes from him, and I'm looking for a Reyburn low D with a brass body and delrin head. 00:00. Re-introduce end evaluating gear. Welcome to Reyburn Whistles. My review is based on my limited knowledge and experience (1 year playing, owning less than 15 whistles). They are made to order and take 2-4 weeks for delivery. REYBURN LOW WHISTLES is an Oregon Assumed Business Name filed on June 9, 2000. Two bodies with one headjoint. Comparing the tone of 3 different B flat whistles - Generation, Reyburn and Burke. low D whistle and small hands?. Though Dixon, Killarney, Freeman, and others are lovely, more moderately priced examples. Here are the attributes I'd like to see in a high D whistle. I am in my 70s and began music. $300 new from Reyburn. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. The composite whistles have a slightly woodier tone than the metal ones and aren't quite as loud. 5. The Sporting Pitchfork Posts: 1634 Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2002 12:00 am antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10 Location: Dante's "Inferno;" canto VI, line 40Appearance: Reyburn low whistles all have brass bodies with a unique head design made from maple wood. I am asking for $120. I'd very much like to add a low d with a different sound. How a Low D Irish whistle made by Ronaldo Reyburn compares to Low D's by Susato and MK (Glasgow, Scotland). Includes a nice little sack to keep everything together. Top. Includes a nice little sack to keep everything together. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. Free CONUS. I've played and enjoyed a few Native American flutes but am wildly allergic to cedar and redwood so I never keep one when they come through the store (some day I'll get one made of something else ). If you're interested in participating, PM me you're name and mailing address. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. If you're interested in participating, PM me you're name and mailing address. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. As for the Glenluce whistle, I commend the honestly and openness of Hobgoblin in telling their customers where their instruments are made; unlike the practice of others. He often plays in pub sessions, local concerts and worship services (gotta be heard above all those 'lectric gee. Serial number 1652. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. I am an aficianado of irish whistles and flutes. g. Players have individual tastes as to how much back pressure. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. I liked both the stability and responsiveness I could find all the way to the top. For the price, the Feadog has been amazing - but it is time to get a 'better' whistle, I think! I've spent many hours browsing the forums here but I've found it hard to find reviews & comparisons between whistles - I need some quick suggestions, please. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. My review is based on my limited knowledge and experience (1 year playing, owning less than 15 whistles). If you find one more ultimater, let us know. Reyburn high D/C set for sale. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. I was a stay at home mom and. loud whistles. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. A wicked Irish fiddle tune played on my Reyburn session D whistle. Nathaniel Dowell. cp reyburn whistles Post by Reyburnwhistles » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:25 pm I have been busy making a small batch of my aluminum alloy Low Ds and in appreciation of the support I have been receiving from this message board for the last 16 years, I am offering a discount on the aluminum Low D of $50. Best to visit the website. I opened it up and out came a nice whistle sock, and inside there it was in all it's brass splendor. It seems like the most recommended and the most played whistles should be the same. whistlecollector wrote: vonallentx wrote: I got a YouTube update email that contained a plug for the new Setanta low whistles released in September. 99. Photos will be sent on request if you provide an email in your PM reply. July 15, 2010. I really love my Reviol for example, but Ive had MK whistles and they're not really my bag. 99. It felt comfortable to hold and I quickly. That means I really enjoy good whistles and playing good whistles. Dave Reyburn, This is our second class A. Posted on July 8, 2009 by Ronaldo - Whistles. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. 99. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. I would have to now say. Post by squeezebox99 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:43 pm. He previously formed two other Irish bands, and has recently begun performing solo. That means I really enjoy good whistles and playing good whistles. When I heard Ronaldo Reyburn was coming out with a new low D, I knew I had to try it. . Post by Reyburnwhistles » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:46 pm. The previous owner didn't seem to know much about them except they were her dad's and he bought them 5 yrs ago. I did contact Ronaldo, and was able to get a old stock low D with offset holes from him, andLooking to purchase maple head whistles by Ronaldo Reyburn in Oregon , in G, F, Eb, Low D or Low C. There are also a few other keys available including Low C, Eb, E, F. Condition: Excellent. Don’t get me wrong, the whistle is a great little instrument and lots of fun, but the reason I started with it was that it was both cheaper and simpler to learn than a flute. 00 includes SH to continental US. 26 posts 1; 2; Next; Scott McCallister Posts: 896 Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:40 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10 Location: Denver, CO. I'll also make no assumptions about their quality simply based upon where they're made. . . Husband's big 5-0 birthday coming up and it's another Burke whistle I'm after getting for him. 24 posts 1; 2; Next; Silent K Posts: 12 Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 am antispam: No Location: New York State, USA. com . The bore is conical and of course it has all those holes. William T. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. Seery soprano D delrin - I almost returned this whistle to Steve at Shana Quay mainly because of some initial difficulty in hitting high notes without terrible shreiking. I'm in the process of adding a Low D whistle, which is why I want to register. © 2023 Reyburn Whistles | All Rights Reserved | Graphic Design by Rogue Design Group | Built by Vibrant PressRogue Design Group | Built by Vibrant Press Welcome to the Kerrywhistles official site for Low Whistles designed by Phil Hardy. I really love my Reviol for example, but Ive had MK whistles and they're not really my bag. $220 for the set. Beazley and Overtons (using examples from my rack). If you find one more ultimater, let us know. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Disclaimers first: 1. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. 4 posts • Page 1 of 1. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. 26 posts 1; 2; Next; Scott McCallister Posts: 896 Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:40 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10 Location: Denver, CO. Re-introduce end evaluating gear. My ancestral line is descended from the Gordon Clan of Scotland, and for over 15 years I have been making handmade whistles. belfastblower Posts: 1 Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:33 pm antispam: No. I have played a Ronaldo Reyburn, although being left handed this posed a problem - the holes are offset for someone who plays the 'right' way. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. $220 for the set. 3 posts • Page 1 of 1. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. I did contact Ronaldo, and was able to get a old stock low D with offset holes from him, andLooking to purchase maple head whistles by Ronaldo Reyburn in Oregon , in G, F, Eb, Low D or Low C. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. Welcome to Reyburn Whistles. Oddly, the overall impression is somehow whistle-like. Thoughts on A Whistles. . Tunable. Ronaldo no longer makes the low D in brass, just aluminum alloy, which I'm sure makes for a top-notch whistle, but I think I'd prefer the warmer tone of a brass body, and I like the look of brass over aluminum. I do know the white pvc whistle is a Mack Hoover low D and the brass one looks like an older Reyburn with the wooden head. I have had all of those keys in the past, but sold them when I was having health issues, and now looking to see if I can find a few. It has a wonderful complex but sweet tone. Many keyless flutes actually have 8-holes - the bottom of which would sound C# and C. I just got a soprano D Reyburn about a month ago from Doc. 26 posts 1; 2; Next; Scott McCallister Posts: 894 Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:40 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10 Location: Denver, CO. Post by LorenzoFlute » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:31 pm. Yet, due to other priorities, I lack sufficient time in practice to learn to play better than good enough to fascinate young children and my mother, and amuse discerning adults. That means I really enjoy good whistles and playing good whistles. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. am an aficianado of irish whistles and flutes. Thoughts on A Whistles. Thoughts on A Whistles. As for the Glenluce whistle, I commend the honestly and openness of Hobgoblin in telling their customers where their instruments are made; unlike the practice of others. SOLD 2. “the_moving_cloud_ver1”. Condition: Used Used. I'll say, the hype that I've heard about these is well deserved. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. I am in my 70s and began music. Reyburn high D/C set for sale. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. Reyburn whistles have a lovely sound. Dan hosts two traditional Irish seisiuns at the Garryowen Irish Pub in Gettysburg each month. He plays a Seamus O'Kane bodhrán (rack & pinion model) and Burke, Reyburn & Copeland whistles. For additional context on my word usage, my usual pressure to get lower octave A to be in tune results in my upper octave A being 35-40 cents flat. Thoughts on A Whistles. 24 posts 1; 2; Next; Silent K Posts: 12 Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:22 am antispam: No Location: New York State, USA. Post by JackL » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:50 pm. I recently got a Reyburn whistle in the key of Am and am absolutely crazy about the thing. Phone: 541-552-1951The Irish Flute Store is a true mom & pop shop based out of downtown Greeley Colorado selling and consigning fine Irish flutes and tin whistles. Reynaldo Reyburn Low D Tunable Whistle. I really love my Reviol for example, but Ive had MK whistles and they're not really my bag. The whistle itself is wonderfully solid and well made, and. I've played and enjoyed a few Native American flutes but am wildly allergic to cedar and redwood so I never keep one when they come through the store (some day I'll get one made of something else ). Our listed pricing range includes from 1-hour, local gigs, to much. I received a high D whistle from Ronaldo Reyburn yesterday, and after spending some time playing it alone and in a session this afternoon, I am thrilled with this whistle. 5 posts • Page 1 of 1. I have had all of those keys in the past, but sold them when I was having health issues, and now looking to see if I can find a few. All payments by Paypal please. Location: Baltimore area, Maryland, USA. Was asking $220, now $200 for the set. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Can't wait to find out!My week with the Reyburn whistles has come to a close. . I'm back to playing again after a 5 year hiatus. ) Time for a new whistle. As I said before - I'm surprised there isn't a lot more chatter on the board regarding Reyburn Whistles. They seem to be getting better and better. Reyburn low D questions. $699. Reyburn’s web site, “Reyburn whistles are fairly loud, have a bit of chiff, a wisp of breath and have a full round somewhat complex tone. He's already got the Composite D session Burke and he's hinted that he wanted a new C whistle with a bright quality for performances. 21 posts 1; 2; Next; Reyburnwhistles Posts: 348 Joined: Wed Jun 27, 2001 12:00 am Please enter the next number in sequence: 1 Location: Ashland, OR. It had a nice heft to it. Condition Details. The Chiff and Fipple Whistle Forum. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. As I said before - I'm surprised there isn't a lot more chatter on the board regarding Reyburn Whistles. So, while less than perfect, I do recommend the whistle. 2. All payments by Paypal please. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. Available FromPutting these up for sale. Thoughts on A Whistles. $300 new from Reyburn. I do know the white pvc whistle is a Mack Hoover low D and the brass one looks like an older Reyburn with the wooden head. Jerry Freeman, Chris Wall, Roy McManus…Condition Details. Re: Fixing octave tuning for a Killarney whistle. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. 16 posts 1; 2; Next; Soineanta Posts: 346 Joined: Sun Sep 08, 2002 12:00 am Please enter the next number in sequence: 1 Location: Orlando 'burbs, FL. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. Best to visit the website. 32 posts 1; 2; 3; Next; squeezy Posts: 3 Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:03 am antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 10. I have been away from this site for about 6 years or so but occasionally lurking so maybe a quick reintroducing is in order. 14 posts • Page 1 of 1. Reyburn Whistles 8335 Indian Memorial Road Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA. : a sentence or 2. If you're interested in participating, PM me you're name and mailing address. It seems like the most recommended and the most played whistles should be the same. Now I am a hobbyist, and whistle obsessive and player. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Shannon Tweed and Gene Simmon first met at the Playboy Mansion in the early '80s. The set includes one mouthpiece and two interchangeable bodies - one in D and one in C. The company's filing status is listed as Inactive and its File Number is 758191-86. His workshop is nestled in the forest outside of Ashland, Oregon and runs completely on power generated by photovoltaic panels. - A somewhat 'husky' sound (particularly in the low octave) and some chiff. You can read about his whistles at reyburnwhistles. This whistle set is a couple of years old. $300 new from Reyburn. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Reyburn makes two models. They seem to be getting better and better. Though Dixon, Killarney, Freeman, and others are lovely, more moderately priced examples. Questions about several expensive whistles I'm considering. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. Lovely player, has that efficient, focussed. Includes a nice little sack to keep everything together. Posted on July 8, 2009 by Ronaldo - Whistles. Thoughts on A Whistles. However, there are some more expensive whistles that do have quite a lot of back pressure e. I am in my 70s and began music. Tone is clear. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. My review is based on my limited knowledge and experience (1 year playing, owning less than 15. I'll still be practicing on the used Reyburn whistle because I like the patina and I especially like the tone, meanwhile the new Reyburn whistles are. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. Agree. 00 US for the D/C set. Price at time of review: $140. Looked at reyburn website. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. Humphrey and Reyburn are similar amount of build effort (Reyburn is a bit. If you're interested in participating, PM me you're name and mailing address. 6 posts • Page 1 of 1. The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. I loved my old reyburn for the tone, and it was fantastic for gigging in an unamplified setting. 159 subscribers. I have had all of those keys in the past, but sold them when I was having health issues, and now looking to see if I can find a few. There are 47 other people named Michael D. Standalone Store. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. You can read about his whistles at reyburnwhistles. Elvellon Posts: 110 Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 12. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. Ronaldo Reyburn is graciously making one of his latest low D whistles available for a tour to C & F members (lower 48 only at this time). Released: 2018. Cal state University Long Beach. Re-introduce end evaluating gear. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. To me, hard vs soft blower is based on how hard it is to overblow. I just wanted to mention a great experience I had recently with Reyburn whistles. My ancestral line is descended from the Gordon Clan of Scotland, and for over 15 years I have been making handmade whistles. First Impressions: tunable Overton high D. This whistle has more breathiness and a bit of edge compared to my standard Low D and plays very well tonally thru the octave transition. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. I play whistle a bit and am looking to add a low G and low A to use with songs in a group setting. Post by Soineanta » Mon Sep 30, 2002 12:16 am. More for international with insurance. These whistles are so hard to come by that they are the first of Marc's I've played. Here are all of the BC Ferry whistles that I have recorded throughout May 2019. Ronaldo Reyburn is graciously making one of his latest low D whistles available for a tour to C & F members (lower 48 only at this time). If you find one more ultimater, let us know. Susan. I’m selling the whistle(s) because they are very much a 3rd or 4th instrument for me and I can’t justify having more than one expensive whistle; in a sense I’m ‘culling the herd’. I'll still be practicing on the used Reyburn whistle because I like the patina and I especially like the tone, meanwhile the new Reyburn whistles are there at the ready with the same lovely tone and craftsmanship for the next session. Tweed was named 'Playboy Playmate' of the year in 1982. That means I really enjoy good whistles and playing good whistles. Delrin mouthpiece, brass bodies. REYBURN LOW WHISTLES is an Oregon Assumed Business Name filed on June 9, 2000. A wicked Irish fiddle tune played on my Reyburn session D whistle. $199. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. . Condition: Fair/Good. I recently got a Reyburn whistle in the key of Am and am absolutely crazy about the thing. Thoughts on A Whistles. But you have to blow significantly harder to get the top of the second octave on the reyburn. High D tin whistles, from left to right: Clarke Sweetone; Shaw (customised); O'Brien; Reyburn; Generation (customised); Copeland; Overton: Date: 23 July 2006: Source: Own work: Author: Daniel Fernandez: Permission (Reusing this file) GNU Free Documentation License and Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license versions. Questions about several expensive whistles I'm considering. If you find one more ultimater, let us know. You could not isolated going. I've played and enjoyed a few Native American flutes but am wildly allergic to cedar and redwood so I never keep one when they come through the store (some day I'll get one made of something else ). Price at time of review: $140. Lovely player, has that efficient, focussed headjoint that Reyburn is known for though this is voiced just with a slight bit of air/chiff - giving that classic tin-whistley tone. too good to gather dust. $300 new from Reyburn. 2 twinings tea usa tea bags loose tea blends twiningsRonaldo Reyburn is graciously making one of his latest low D whistles available for a tour to C & F members (lower 48 only at this time). Ronaldo no longer makes the low D in brass, just aluminum alloy, which I'm sure makes for a top-notch whistle, but I think I'd prefer the warmer tone of a brass body, and I like the look of brass over aluminum. To me, hard vs soft blower is based on how hard it is to overblow. I recently got a Reyburn whistle in the key of Am and am absolutely crazy about the thing. Do Reyburn whistles have that? 3) less likelihood of squeals when the odd mistake happens, less condensation build up potential Nuff said? 4) not particularly airy sounding I expect a certain degree of audible turbulence from a wind instrument. That means I really enjoy good whistles and playing good whistles. Thoughts on A Whistles. So what’s the difference?The Ultimate On-Line Whistle Community. Yet, due to other priorities, I lack sufficient time in practice to learn to play better than good enough to fascinate young children and my mother, and amuse discerning adults. Early 2000s whistles were added to my arsenal. At a Glance Whistle Reviewed: Reyburn D/C Set Models Available: Lots of choices here. Post by preacher » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:04 pm. $300 new from Reyburn. I wish I'd always played it. 22 posts Previous; 1; 2; Pipe Bender Posts: 266 Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:03 pm antispam: No Please enter the next number in sequence: 12. and documentation (guarantee, care instructions, fingering chart) are of the highest professional quality. I've played and enjoyed a few Native American flutes but am wildly allergic to cedar and redwood so I never keep one when they come through the store (some day I'll get one made of something else ).